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Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 4:34:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there a way to delete machines out of the console????  Is this somehow done through an AD sync with NWM??  I've got machines that I've tested and imaged over and over again, and each image is still in the console even though they machines don't exist anymore.  I'm sure there is a script or something right??
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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 4:43:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent question.  I too would like to know how to purge obsolete data from the NWM console.

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 4:49:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't check yet with the newest version, but I recall that this obsolete data also showed up in all 'Agility Reports'. This actually results in less than accurate figures ...
There should be some kind of automatic cleanup routine like 'Delete all not reporting in x (configurable) days'

Cheers,
Serge

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:19:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, this is by design... the logic is simply that each iteration of a given machine (name) at some point contributed to the organization"s energy consumption when it was a live device, hence the data is retained to keep the consumption data as accurate as possible. So rather than causing data to be less accurate, it is in fact MORE accurate because its retained. The behavior is very different than that which one would expect from a CfgMgr database where you really only EVER want to see but ONE instance of a machine name (the current, active one).

Now, does this make folks a little crazy when they see it happen? Sure does, esp if they (you) are also an SMS/CfgMgr admin where you asre used to seeing only one instance of a machine name. So, do you really, really want to purge those systems? I *believe* there is a custom script that can be had via Support to do this... it comes with a ton of caveats and cautions around using it in a production envioronment (designed for la use) and unsupported and all that...

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:28:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's kind of strange.  So basically ANY machine on your network that has ever had the nightwatchman client and checked in with the server will always show up in the console????

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:33:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, that's true and although i can agree (partially , yes i'm the SCCM guy), there's a bunch of reports that don't make sense. For example the NWM Client Versions shows in our environment 14821 and i'm more than sure there are up & around 9000. Moreover - according to this report - i have 4076 NightWatchman Version 5.0.9.3, which is simply not true ...

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:35:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		correct... because as I said earlier, that machine, while on the network and running our client, was consuming electricity and "adding" to the overall enterprise elect consumption (as well as contributing to the carbon footprint), so we capture that data and stuff it into the db to document same.

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:37:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, I don't know why they even made the clients tab of the nightwatchman console then.  I mean that makes the clients tab almost useless if you can't really manage the clients in the console.  Well I guess except for the fact that you can group machines in different OU's and assign different policies to different OU's.

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:39:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are all making excellent points... I've passed on the concerns/questions raised here to the proper dev authorities back in the Ivory Tower for consideration.

Tks all for the candid feedback

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:39:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I sound like I'm bashing the product and that's not what I'm trying to do, it's actually a very good product.  I just know my managers and I know my company, and I know they're going to want a way to keep the management console up to date.  But if I need to tell them that's what the product was designed to do, then I'm totally cool with that.

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:42:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well actually we're going to deploy the 5.6 version (Server & Client) next week and have no intentions whatsoever to use the console. We're going to use Group Polices (1ENWM.admx) to control the power policies.

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 6/30/2009 5:53:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		clearly that will work just fine... however, one thing you will loose out on by not employing the console: Ability to do reports based on org and/or location... "Show me all systems in the enterprise in all regions by Building; group by City" for example... many of the reports now provide this sort of structure... it is very easy to create these logiceal groupings using the console... much more complicated if you attempt to do so inside the db directly... also exposes nicely the computer health policis=es, allowing you to easily modify these to fit your needs (eg: "Invalid BITS test may look for versions 5.0; 5.5; and 6.2 out of the box)... suppose you want to add a newer version to test for (e.g. "add v7.0; remove 5.0 and 5.5)... quick and easy to do so (BTW, I simply pulled those BITS numbers out of my hat! :-))

You can also insert "actual" power consumption values for each unique combination of desktop and laptop make/model/chassis-type (where we have same) via the console so that your consumption reports are based on ACTUAL power consumption rather than a silly "default" or "industry standard average" consumption value that's applied to ALL your systems... that makes no sense...

Anyway, there is a ton of added features and benefits to be had using the Console... you can still use SMS, CfgMgr or GPO to manage the atcual shutdown policies if desired, while using other features/benefits of the console (so long as you don't try using BOTH to do policies!)

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 7/1/2009 9:35:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I've confirmed that this issue (of aging dead clients out of the console) will be resolved in v6, tentatively due for release in Feb, 2010.

Hope tis helps.

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 7/1/2009 11:42:57 AM   
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ealdrich
OK, I've confirmed that this issue (of aging dead clients out of the console) will be resolved in v6, tentatively due for release in Feb, 2010.


Hi Ed,
I presume this will be done in away as to not lose the power consumption figures as you mentioned.


regards

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 7/1/2009 11:58:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		EXACTLY... we'll "hide" the machines from the console, while retaining the actual data under the hood...

Hopefully this should also solve the escalating "Client Version" report count reported earlier in this thread somewhere

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RE: Nightwatchman 5.6 - 7/2/2009 3:59:26 PM   
sberat


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ORIGINAL: sberat

Well actually we're going to deploy the 5.6 version (Server & Client) next week and have no intentions whatsoever to use the console. We're going to use Group Polices (1ENWM.admx) to control the power policies.


I thought I might add some explanation on the reason(s) why we are not using the console. First of all, we would like to ... but it simply doesn't fit our needs.
The major issue for us is the lack of automation /AD integration. We don't want to be playing with VBscript files all the time. Ideally you would:
- Create a Location or Organization group.
- Create a link between an AD OU and that group.
- A process would then query AD on a configurable schedule and add/remove computerobjects to/from the group.
In a nutshell when a PC is added to the domain it automagically gets added to its corresponding NWM group and receives the power & shutdown policies.
Additionally there's the mandatory 5 level thing which is completely useless, because it doesn't add any value to the product.

Cheers,
Serge


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