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RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 7:51:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have RIS running on a domain controller and I am experiencing an issue where the service will automagically turn itself back on after an extended period of time.  WDS is running on a different server and we are deployments with MDT 2008 Stand Alone. 

I'm getting several complaints from my remote sites that when they PXE boot they're not getting the LiteTouchPE as they should, however, they're getting RIS.  I have to manually login to the DC and disable the service OR remove RIS to get them to be able to PXE to WDS successfully. 

I've checked event log and found a BINLSVC associated with RIS.  Albeit, I do not see BINLSVC in the services.msc.  There are no dependencies with RIS as far as I can tell.

For the record I've tried to disable the service first, then stop the service.  I've also tried stopping the service and setting it to manual.  In time, RIS turns itself back on.

Any thoughts would be extremely helpful.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 9:30:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		The display name for BINLSVC is "Boot information Negotiation Layer".  Set the service to disabled to prevent it from starting.  Setting a service to manual does not prevent it from starting, it just stops the OS from automatically starting it at boot time.  Other services, applications, or users may still start it.

Other options include uninstalling RIS completely or changing your network so that it does not forward PXE requests to the RIS server (usually done via IPHelper addresses on Cisco layer 3 devices).

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 9:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Jason,

Unfortunatlely, the BINLSVC doesn't exist in my list of services.  :(   Side note, these sites are all flat networks, therefore, there are NO IP Helpers configured. 

The service I am concerned with is the "Single Instance Store Grovlr" (sp?)  This service scans the hard-disk volumes on a RIS server for duplicate copies of files.  If found, one instance of the duplicate file is stored in a central directory, and the duplicates are replaced with a link to the central copy in order to improve disk usage.  If the service is stopped, files will no longer automatically link in this manner, but the existing linked files will still be accessible.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 10:01:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		So how are you stopping BINLSVC?  How are your remote sites on the same subnet/network as your central site?  Are you still using RIS?

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 10:14:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not stopping the BINLSVC..the service doesn't exist on the DC.  I'm stopping the RIS service.  Again, I disable first, then stop.  Remote Sites aren't on the same subnet as our central site, but IP helpers are only needed when DHCP and WDS servers are on different subnets.  In this case, it's a flat network and only one subnet supports the site. 

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 10:36:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Try going to a command prompt to stop the service:

net stop binlsvc

The display name for the service was changed to "Remote Installation" in Windows 2003.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 10:42:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's the same as disabling the Remote Installation Service? - which is what I've been trying to do all along?

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 11:10:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The point of running the command is to show you that the service does exist.  Also, when you run the command, it will show you the display name of the service which is what you should be looking for in the services mmc, not BINLSVC.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 11:15:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		In this case, I have been disabling the correct service all along, but it's still not helping as RIS eventually turns itself back on.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 11:25:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		So why not just uninstall RIS?

Also, are you using DHCP options to identify the PXE services?

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 11:32:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because some sites still require RIS for older images we don't support with MDT.  I know what you're thinking and your'e absolutely right.  Doesn't this increase your overhead, Rich?  Yup, it sure does.  That's why we are working hard on getting these older models out the door since most our off the books anyway.

Yeah, we're using DHCP.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 11:44:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		For the sites that do not require RIS, why not change the DHCP options in their DHCP scope?   Also, WDS supports a response delay option.  See the following two links for more info:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725614.aspx#Response
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc732360.aspx


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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 12:53:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jason,

I like the idea of the PXE Response Delay.  So, does this mean that if I set this to 1 second to respond to the RIS, and it does not respond, it will boot to WDS?

Thanks for all your help!

Rich

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 1:11:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The response delay is on the server.  It tells the server to not respond for a specified timeout.  Actual behavior is up to the PXE client but if you can get it to skip the PXE boot to RIS (by not hitting F12), it should try to boot to PXE boot to WDS.  As the article states, its not a perfect solution but is sometimes workable.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 1:18:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jason,

If we wait too long, it exits the PXE agent and then boots into Windows.  It's about a 5 second delay.  But, if we hit F12 it boots to RIS.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 2:46:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, handling multiple PXE boot systems is a complete unknown to me and I can't really offer any input on this.  Try searching the web for "PXE response time" or "multiple PXE" for further info. 

My only other comment is to try changing the DHCP scope options or set up IPHelpers to direct your PXE broadcasts -- note that IP Helpers forward broadcast traffic from a single broadcast domain to a select host on another broadcast domain, they have nothing to do with co-location of services.  Using IPHelpers is the Microsoft recommended way to enable PXE booting on networks with more than one subnet/broadcast domain.  This doesn't solve contention issues with multiple PXE boot services though.

Here's a good article discussing PXE boot in general: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc732351.aspx.

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RE: RIS turning itself back on - 8/26/2008 2:59:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jason,

I appreciate all the knowlege and input you've provided.  Just from experience, my central site does have IP helpers configured.  And if RIS is enabled, the PXE request always answers to the RIS service first, unless the service is disabled. 

I'm contacting my TAM to see if he can get me a quick answer/solution.

Thanks a ton!

Rich

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