Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean?

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Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:08 AM (permalink)
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Hi all,
could anybody help me to understand, what the "unknown" column means in the update lists?
 
I have an test environment with 35 SCCM clients. All run the update scan without any error. When I run the report "Scan 1 - Last scan states by collection" Scan completed for all 35 clients, all with the same ScanPackageVersion, all run at the same time, lasterrorcode=0 for all.
 
In the update list (Software Updates --> Update Lists --> "My Update List") it is for about 50% of all updates:
Total = 35
Installed = 16 (e.g.)
Required = 0 (e.g.)
Not Required = 15 (e.g.)
Deployed = Yes
Unknown = 4 (e.g.)
The numbers differ from update to update, but for all updates "unknown" is not 0.
I think, if all clients successfully did the update scan, SCCM should know, if an update is installed, required or not required for each update and each client?! How can it be "unknown"?
For the other 50% of the updates, Total is 27 only. Why not 35? (and also some "unknown" for each update.)
Could anybody explain it to me please???
 
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    Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:21 AM (permalink)
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    'Unknown' means you have clients that have not updated policy and run a software updates scan yet.  SCCM does not know whether or not that particular patch is installed/required/not required on a client until it returns a scan.
     
    Usually, machines that are 'unknown' for a patch have just been offline since it was published.  Since different patches were published at different times, that can explain the different numbers of 'unknown' machines.
     
    However, if the SCCM client or the Windows Update agent is broken, the machine will not be able to do a scan.  When the Windows Update agent is not working, it could be a long list of things.  I've found that just running this fixit tool from Microsoft does the trick for a lot of broken WU agents:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058
     
    If you take a look at the 'Let me fix it myself' portion of the article, you can see the dozens of things the fixit takes care of.  I took the list of 'unknown' machines and looked at their last hardware inventory time - the ones with recent hardware inventory but were still 'unknown' were my likely candidates for a broken WU Agent.  I then did a push of the fixit MSI to the likely candidates and about 90% started working.
     
    I hope that helps,
     
     
    Nash
     
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      Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:24 PM (permalink)
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      All 35 clients did the update scan without any error. The scan runs every night. All clients are online all the time!
       
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        Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:03 PM (permalink)
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        Sounds like those clients may need to be told to resync.  Try this on one of them:
        RefreshServerComplianceState()
        Sub RefreshServerComplianceState() 
        dim newCCMUpdatesStore
        set newCCMUpdatesStore = CreateObject ("Microsoft.CCM.UpdatesStore")
        newCCMUpdatesStore.RefreshServerComplianceState
        wscript.echo "Ran RefreshServerComplianceState."
        End Sub
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          Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:16 AM (permalink)
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          Where do I know, for which clients an update is "unknown"?
           
          BTW: The "Total" is 35 now for all updates! Seems to be a questions of time, what means several days...
           
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            Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:42 AM (permalink)
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            There are no updates "unknown" now!!! And I did nothing...
            Any ideas what happend (or not happend before)?
             
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              Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:41 AM (permalink)
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              Delete aged discovery ran and nuked dead clients from the DB, perhaps?
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                Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:21 AM (permalink)
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                No, there are no dead clients and the task runs on Saturday, and it happened on Wednesday.
                Btw, I had to reinstall the SUP and now I have the same problem again. A lot of updates are unknown for up to 16 clients.
                 
                 
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                  Re:Update Lists - What does the "unknown" column mean? Tuesday, March 06, 2012 9:07 AM (permalink)
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                  What are the settings for your software client agent?  Is there any  GPO with WSUS setting in your domain? On one of the Unknown Client, if you check the smscliUI.log, WUAHandler.log, UpdatesHandler.log, LocationServices.log and WindowsUpdates.log everything looks fine?  All your clients return a successfull scan result based on the same source and the same pkg content? 
                   
                   
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