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collections not populating - 9/23/2008 10:43:32 AM   
jseber1982

 

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Status: offline 		We are running advanced security.. system has been stable. central, 3 primaries, 300 secondaries.

We have an advertisement to install office 2007. The adv is base off of a collection which queries an AD group for computers, That query is set to update itself every hour.

Ad system group discovery runs every hour also.. Software inventory also runs every hours because of how our queries are set up.

Today i added some machines to a few AD groups and hmmm the collection never updates, even if i do it manually. 3 hours now and still nothing.

I have double checked my settings and nothing appears to have changed.

Any idea on what logs i should look at or something like that?
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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 10:58:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you'll want to start with colleval.log. Although at the frequency with which you update collections, it's going to be big.
You may want to fire off a manual update and watch the log file.

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 11:19:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont usually paste logs.. but here goes. Says subcollections are unknown.... and that last line seems to be a giveaway whatever that means

Subcollection 00100019 is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010001C is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010001F is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 00100020 is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 00100021 is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100027    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100028    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100029    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 0010002A    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 0010002B    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:24 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010002E is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010002F is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100030    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100031    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100032    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100033    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100034    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 00100038    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010003C is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010003D is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added subcollection 0010003E    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Subcollection 0010003F is unknown.  Will finish processing COLLROOT later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Added 0 direct members and 0 query rules.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Could not load collection definition from parent site.  Will retry later.    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)
Failed to manage all files in inbox.  Will retry in 120 minutes    SMS_COLLECTION_EVALUATOR    9/23/2008 11:13:25 AM    34724 (0x87A4)



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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 12:03:35 PM   
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Ad system group discovery runs every hour also.. Software inventory also runs every hours because of how our queries are set up.



WOW!!!! Ever hour for Software inventory!!!! WOW That is alot of overhead on your client PCs!!! I would re-write you queries to use Hardware Inventory at least! It has alot less overhead than SW inventory.

You should look at ESD, if you need every hour for AD discovery. 
http://www.systemcentertools.com/esd2007.html


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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:01:31 PM   
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Most of our collection queries are written like....
Make sure that the machine does not have project 2007 in add\remove programs
Make sure that the machine is in the AD group uninet\blahblah
Make sure that the machine has Windows Installer 3.1 installed.

I am assuming that is why it happens every hour,, so that way the machine will bbe removed from the collection quickly.
Also, collection queries update every 15mins. Discovery happens every hour.


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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:22:13 PM   
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I am assuming that is why it happens every hour,, so that way the machine will bbe removed from the collection quickly.
Also, collection queries update every 15mins. Discovery happens every hour.


You are probably overloading your site server. Look for backlog in your inboxes and log files. IMHO that is WAY too often, and added a HUGE load the your site server and clients. I would rethink how you are deploying software.

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:39:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no problem redoing it.. just having to train all the field support ppl on the differences.

I just fired up performance monitor on one of our primaries... 4 cpus.. 70% utilized. Disk spikes to about 80% about once a minute.


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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:40:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another issue that has crept up.... Machines receive the advertisement... I check it an hour later using sms client center.. Says that it is downloading the source files, but it creates and empty cache dir and that is it. 

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:48:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		This may be caused by how often you are refreshing the collection membership. Spend some time to work out what is the best way for your company. 

  • Figure out how you are doing it now

  • Find out why it is that way.

  • Come up with a new plan

  • Test (in a lab)

  • Adjust production

  • Repeat the above steps



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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:48:52 PM   
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I just fired up performance monitor on one of our primaries... 4 cpus.. 70% utilized. Disk spikes to about 80% about once a minute.


How many clients do you have?

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:51:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what i am seeing,, our setup of secondary clients is overkill.

We have a central.. 3 primaries under that, and then approx 50-75 secondaries under each of them.
Also besides the primaries... each secondary also functions as a local domain controller for that AD site.

6,100 clients


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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 1:58:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		actually after closer looking... ad group discovery runs every 15 mins

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 2:13:46 PM   
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From what i am seeing,, our setup of secondary clients is overkill.

We have a central.. 3 primaries under that, and then approx 50-75 secondaries under each of them.
Also besides the primaries... each secondary also functions as a local domain controller for that AD site.

6,100 clients
 
I agree this is too, aggressive.

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 2:18:45 PM   
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actually after closer looking... ad group discovery runs every 15 mins


If you must run AD discovery that often, then you MUST get ESD!!! It will be the best money you have ever spent! http://www.systemcentertools.com/esd2007.html

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RE: collections not populating - 9/23/2008 2:56:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yikes. I would start by scaling back on the discoveries. Settings things to a couple of hours surely isn't going to kill anything.
We do software and hardware daily, AD every four hours, and I'm beginning to think THAT is overkill.
If you're not using any monitoring on your Central Site server, I'd look at diskperf counters. I'm wondering if thrashing isn't just bringing collection updates to a crawl.

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