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help selling this to product management??? - 9/4/2008 4:52:42 PM   
shadster

 

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Status: offline 		Hi All,   

I love this forum J

I have had about 8+ months of experience with SCCM at my old employer. I set it up and got it working great, from osd deployment to apps, reports, wsus etc... with one primary site...

So I took a new job with a great company that is currently using SMS 2003, and they are not nearly using it to it's full potential (shocker) and I am having to relearn some of the lay out and it doesn't even have the OSD package installed...

I have been tasked with simplifying our imaging process  preferably one that is not hardware dependent (we are currently using ghost on a PE disk in an environment with over 2k users).... but they are still leery on giving me the keys to the kingdom as they have had issues in the past with people that had no business being sms admins reeking havoc in the environment... I need to dispel that reputation as quickly as possible. It is currently more of the LAN team's 'baby' and me being part of the desktop team is looking to take some of it back, as it is more of a desktop asset (osd, wsus, app deployment etc) and this will go a long way to accomplishing that... if i can sell it.

now the issue is that my managers need me to give them sufficient reasons (pros and cons) to upgrade in order for them to 'sell' it to their managers... I know that the osd deployment package is a free add on to SMS 2003 so I think that will be an easy sell, but would prefer to just upgrade the whole kit an caboodle before it gets too complex as it increases the things that can go wrong during a upgrade.

other than the obvious benifits like integrated OSD, newer USMT (not sure of all the newer functionality over 2.6) integrated WSUS ... I know there are more things that I am missing.

So.... any ideas comments would be greatly appreciated, so I can get this ball rolling and STOP having to maintain a ghost image for every machine in our environment 


Thanks in advance!!!!!!

Shadster
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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/4/2008 5:44:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now with SCCM R2  you have multicast deployment so you save BW.  SCCM utilizes BITS better so again you save on bandwidth.
If you plan on doing App-v you have the managment capability in SCCM.
From a application deploy it has a number of improvements that cuts down on IT overhead but I don't know how you can put that in something they can see.
Asset Intelligence!
Desired Configuration Managment
Out of Band mangement - better IT repair, wake, shutdown
ooo...NAP, if running on Server 2008

Your patch managment is a bit different but a better deploy method and auditing, since it is using WSUS and not ITMU.

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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/5/2008 9:24:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the direction Matt is heading. Asset Inelligence is a key feature for good auditing of your software, and knowing your environment. Patch management is basically built in, using the WSUS server only for the downloads. This cuts down on a lot of problems people were having with patches. And the reporting on patch deployments is 100% better
The builtin OSD is much better than the addon for 2003, and from what I hear in R2 they make a couple mroe leaps. BTW If you do OSD in 2003, and upgrade to SCCM, you will have to rebuild your entire OSD structure and images, better to upgrade 1st.
Being able to deploy a task sequence is a big selling point as well. When you need app1 to run before app2, and only run app3 if app2 fails, task sequence instead of scripting.


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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/5/2008 9:37:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh... I didn't realize that about the asset intellegence... never got quite that far.

I also forgot about the task sequence... i kind of took that for granted but it was/is extrememly helpful in linking packages/programs together that is for sure...

Thanks for the heads up on the OSD structure blow up upon upgrade... that will be a huge selling point!!

I need to do some research on this asset intellegence...

thanks for the tidbits... i will try to keep thinking of some more as one can never have enough ammo =)

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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/8/2008 8:07:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the big selling points outside of OSD is the internet facing client.  If your organisation has users roaming the world only coming into the office every few weeks then it is nice to know they can now be managed.

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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/8/2008 9:37:18 AM   
shadster

 

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Status: offline 		can anyone elaborate on the OSD restructuring if we set it up under 2003 and then upgrade to SCCM?

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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/8/2008 9:51:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		You will need to create new WIM files.  Instead of starting advertisements when it finishes the deploy you can now run a Task Sequence (forced adv to machine)  Another item is that you add the machine to SCCM prior to installing the OS.  You need to pull the MAC from the machine for you to do the deploy (this is the built in OSD, I am not sure of the PXE changes)


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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/8/2008 9:54:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: shadster

can anyone elaborate on the OSD restructuring if we set it up under 2003 and then upgrade to SCCM?


As has been stated, you will need to recreate your wim images.  Along the SMS 2003/OSD route you would probably have utilised MDT 2008 to fill in the gaps of the OSD feature pack - so you would need to develop a migration strategy for the components used in MDT.  Your customised WinPE boot images would need to be recreated. As a side note, configuration of BitLocker for Vista in SMS 2003/OSD is not supported - although there are workarounds. Many of the features of MDT2008 have been incorporated into SCCM and their application and configuration is simplified, meaning the total time to design and implement an OSD build process will be reduced.  Much better to start with SCCM imho.

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RE: help selling this to product management??? - 9/8/2008 11:48:34 AM   
shadster

 

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Status: offline 		thanks for all of the input...

I agree that it is best to just upgrade before implemnting OSD... just wanted a little more info as to have something a little more solid to stand on as to why it won't work with the current, or in this case... redoing = 2x the work

thanks again!!

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